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Saturday, April 28, 2012

Constitutional Interpretation: Dworkin's Response to Scalia

Notes and Thoughts on A Response to Scalia by Dworkin


Overview
Note, some of the content in the article--as you might expect--refers back to the Scalia posts.


Dworkin agrees with Scalia that the Constitution should be interpreted according to original textual meaning but distinguishes two approaches.  The first is semantic originalism: the idea that clauses ought to be interpreted according to the meaning of the word.  So, in the cruel and unusual punishment clause, we understand the meaning of those terms but we also understand that those terms are normative.  However, we should not expect that what the Framers meant by those words was "whatever reflects the normative values of this time and place in history".  The assumption is that the Framers were wise enough to know that the normative values attached to normative terms are not static.  


The second is expectation originalism which is that the clauses should be understood relative to the consequences the Framers would have expected their words to have.  Dworkin paints Scalia to be an expectation originalist and make the argument that a true textual originalist will be a semantic originalist.


Scalia Contradicts Himself
Recall that Scalia begins his article by making a distinction between intention and law.  The law should always supersede intention, because the intention of the law-maker is something we can only speculate about.  In Holy Trinity v. US and A he concedes that the letter of the law forbade the churches actions, but speculates that this was not the intent of the law.  Nevertheless, judges should not speculate about intent, so the letter of the law should be upheld.


However, when interpreting law we must make some assumptions about someone's intentions and Scalia seems to tacitly accept this.  Indeed, he rejects his other justices' literalist interpretation of "using a firearm" in Smith v. US and A (Smith tried to barter for drugs with an unloaded handgun.  There is a greater penalty for being involved in a drug transaction while "using a firearm").  The majority, contra Scalia, ruled that Smith was "using a firearm".  Scalia dissented because clearly using a firearm to trade for drugs isn't included in the intended meaning of the words.  


Also, he agrees that, even though only freedom of press and speech are explicitly mentioned in the 1st Amendment, the meaning of freedom of speech should be extended to handwritten letters.  So, clearly, even for Scalia there are some ways to interpret beyond literal textual meaning.


Scalia might reply that we needn't be extreme literalists, and that these extensions of meaning are practical and common sense.  But this response undermines his postion that textual meaning should always trump legislative intent.  The examples suggest, in his interpretation of the statute, he put some kind of intent ahead of literal meaning.


So, if it was OK in the two previous examples to extend meaning beyond plain text, why does he prohibit this move in Holy Trinity v.  US and A?  He even acknowledges that exempting priests, artists, and lecturers was probably the intent of the lawmakers.  Whatever distinction he makes, it cannot rely on "practicality" because that is itself a subjective and normative term.   For his principle of adjudication to be defensible, he must make a distinction between kinds of intention in the law.


Two Types of 'Terpretation
When a law is being constructed there is an important distinction between what lawmakers intend to say with their chosen words and what they hope will be the consequences of the law.  Dworkin gives the following illustrative example:


Suppose a boss tells his manager (without winking) to hire the most qualified applicant for a new job. The boss might think it obvious that his own son, who is an applicant, is the most qualified; indeed he might not have given the instruction unless he was confident that the manager would think so too.  Nevertheless, what the boss said, and intended to say, was that the most qualified applicant should be hired.  And if the manager thought some other applicant better qualified, but hired the boss's son to save his own job, he would not be following the standard the boss intended to lay down.


Back to Scalia.  Now back to me.  Now back to Scalia.  In the cases where Scalia deviates from literal textual meaning he applies one kind of interpretive principle: semantic intention.  (If we draw an analogy with Dworkin's example, he's following the standard of hiring the most qualified applicant).  In fact, when interpreting anyone's words we have to pay attention to semantic intention because the same words can mean very different things depending on what the speaker/writer intends to mean.  In order to understand the semantic intention of a word or clause, it is usually important to look at the semantic context.


So, bearing in mind the distinction between what legislators intended the words of a law to mean and what they intended the consequences to be, we can inquire about how to go about making legal interpretations.  In the case of legal interpretation, we do not know what legislators intended by certain words unless we ask, "what is it reasonable to suppose the words intended to say?"  Discerning intentions is hard enough when they are the words of just one person, the difficulties multiply when we try to interpret what an institution intends by its words.  Regardless of how Dworkin and Scalia might read those intentions, it seems they both agree that there is a distinction between what words are intended to say in a statute and what the intended consequences of a law might might.


I'm having trouble with this distinction.  It doesn't seem that clear to me.  I understand it intellectually but I think that there is often some important overlap.   Couldn't we say that the legislators intended the language of the law to say whatever it is that will achieve the consequences they had in mind?  Why this stringent decoupling of the two?  It seems to me that they are importantly--albeit imperfectly--related.


To illustrate the distinction, Dworkin busts out an example that Scalia used:  In Holy Trinity v. US and A, Scalia says that in spite of the fact that the legislators probably intended for there to be an exception for artists, priests, and lectures in the immigration law, and probably would even have voted for these exceptions, it doesn't matter.  It doesn't matter that what happened isn't what the legislators assumed would happen.  The letter of the law says no exceptions to the immigration law--i.e., the meaning of the words--and that's how judges should interpret the law.


But not er'body agrees with this method of interpretation.  Others argue that judges should consider intended consequences of legislation.  And why?  Because it's more democratic.  How so?  Because, on this model of interpretation the law is more likely to be interpreted in a way consistent with the consequences of law that the elected legislature intended.


But, not Scalia.  He wants to say, in this case, that the semantic intent trumps the consequences that were intended by the law.  Recall that the objection to interpretation based on intent is that the judges are expected to be mind readers.  How are they supposed to know what the lawmaker intended the law to be like or what they intended the consequences of the law to be like?


So, there seems to be a question about the place of democratic values in the law.  Recall, that in Scalia's article he makes quite a fuss about the necessity for judicial deference to the legislature in order to depoliticize the judicial selection process.  On the other hand, we might say that the selection process will be political no matter what, because people also have competing interests revolving around what theory of judicial interpretation a judge has.


There is also the separate democratic consideration about rules of adjudication.  Do we want interpretation to be totally devoid of what might reasonably be interpreted as the intent --either consequences or textual meaning to the exclusion of the other--of the elected legislature? These are normative issues to which there is not going to be any one right answer.  Any answer will involve trade offs.


Implications of Textualism for Interpreting Abstract Clauses in the Bill of Rights


Consider Brown v. Board of Education (where by the 14th Amendment was interpreted to make illegal segregated schools):  The 14th Amendment guarantees "equal protection of the laws".  When Congress voted for the this amendment, they didn't have in mind applying it to de-segregate schools because they maintained segregated schools themselves in DC.  In other words, it wasn't one of the intended consequences of the law.  


However, Dworkin points out, there is no way today we could reasonably interpret the words "equal protection of the laws" as meaning segregation is constitutional.  Au contraire! The Court maintained that the semantic intentions of "equal protection of the laws" implies a general principle of political morality which, nowadays, condemns racial segregation.   On that reading, a semantic originalist should agree with the anti-segregationist ruling.


Is Scalia Consistent in Applying Semantic Textualism?
Recall Scalia's discussion of whether the 8th Amendment (cruel and unusual punishment) prohibits capital punishment.  An expectation originalist (interpret according to intended consequences) would answer in the negatational.  Why? because capital punishment is explicitly mentioned and was used as a means of punishment at the time of the Framers.  All they said about it was that, before killing the defendant (loaded language much?) he had to have due process.   Why would they say you need to have due process before executing someone if they thought execution was unconstitutional?  So, clearly on an expectationist reading, capital punishment is constitutional.


Baaaaaaat! vas about a semantic originalist?  He has to two choose between two approaches to interpret what the Framers intended to say in the 8th: (1)  that the words "cruel and unusual" were intended to say "the list of punishments that we in the late 18th Century think to be cruel and unusual".  Or (2) that they meant to lay down an abstract principle forbidding whatever punishments are deemed to be cruel and unusual by whatever standards exist in society at the moment of interpretation.


On the first model of interpretation we would conclude that capital punishment is constitutional.  But on the second, we might not--despite whatever intended consequences the Framers had in mind.  So, on the 2nd model we apply contemporary normative notions to the phrase "cruel and unusual".


Some people might oppose this because of concerns about stability and predictability of the law.  But, we might counter that interpretation on the 2nd model is more democratic if we think that normative standards might not hold constant over 2 Centuries.  We might want a conception of law where contemporary normative judgments are reflected.


Of course, this raises problems too because, where there is disagreement--which there inevitably will be--who's normative values do we select?  Do we simply go by the majority?  What if there are significant regional differences?  Do we leave it to the local governments to decide instead and have different standards across the land?  These be some prollems for realz.


A Tale of Two Types of Semantic 'terpretations
So, now lets return the the matter of Scalia's alleged inconsistency.  Regarding capital punishment, he thinks it loco that it can be considered unconstitutional.  This would make sense if he were an expectation originalist.  Obviously, the Framers never expected that the 8th Amendment would render unconstitutional a standard practice of their time.  Now, Scalia is a textualist.  He might interpret using method (1) where he thinks all moral and other normative terms are inexorably locked into 18th Century sensibilities.  It's possible.  But even if this were true, do we want a theory of adjudication that locks us into ancient morality?  What about 500 years from now.  Should we still hold up 18th Century morality as the one time in history they just happen to get it right?  That doesn't sound too appealing.  And there's nothing in the Constitution that says we have to.  The Constitution is mute on theories of interpretation, so it's reasonable to weigh our choices. 


If we interpret on the model (2) we can see how the openness of the abstract normative principles allows for some flexibility while still maintaining the semantic content of the law.  It's somewhat debatable if this would diminish the stability and flexibility of the law because presumably people have a better grasp of contemporary normative values than they do of 18th century values.  Even if someone opted for (1), I think they'd have a hard time denying the plausibility of (2).  Also, if they opted for (1), as time progresses it will be more and more difficult to accurately recall 18 Century values.


The Framers knew how to give concrete language when they needed it.  In the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th Amendments they use very precise terms and give specific procedures.  If they had intended for the abstract terms to be anchored in 18th Century normativity, they likely would have made the clauses more specific, as they did elsewhere.


So, it seems, even the semantic textualists need to make some meta assumptions about the intentions of the Framers regarding interpretation; although, it's not much of a leap to suppose that the Framers intentionally left some amendment clauses in abstract language, and others in specific language.  If they made some specific, there's no reason to suppose they couldn't have made them all specific or all abstract.  There's also an implied meta-intentionalist theory about the normative standards to apply.  Even if they did intend for us to lock judicial interpretation of laws into 18th Century norms, I think we could make more compelling arguments to reject this postion than we could to maintain it.  Call me crazy. (Some people do).


Of course, Scalia might agree with our conclusion but disagree about how to get there.  His conservative theory of adjudication requires deference to the legislature for any change.  On his model, we'd have to get the legislature to sign off on releasing us from 18th Century morality before the judiciary could apply the new standards.  However, at the time of the framing, common law was the tradition (appeal to precedents, much more deference to the judiciary) so there is an argument to be made that the Framers would have supported more, rather than less judicial power than what Scalia advocates.


The Strawman of the Living Document View
In regards to Scalia's attacks on the Constitution-as-living-document view Dworkin suggest he is arguing against a strawman.  The actual view is the second theory of semantic originalist interpretation by which abstract normative terms are interpreted in relation their contemporary values, rather than the archaic ones.   So, when these cases involving these terms come up, previous judgments are reviewed, not to change what Constitution says, but to review the principle in question within the framework of contemporary values.


As Dworkin writes: "The Constitution insists that our judges do their best collectively to construct, reinspect, and revise, genration by generation, the skeleton of freedom and equality of concern that its great clauses, in their majestic abstraction, command--how 'bout them apples?"  Scalia needs to address these apples, not the strawman he constructs.


So, again there is this tension in the concept of the rule of law.  To what degree do judges need to defer to past decisions and to what degree can they interpret according to a contemporary understanding of the abstract principles?  There's also the problem of deciding which past decisions to consider and how much each should weigh relative to other considerations.


Historical Evidence in Favour of Semantic Intent
Further evidence against the view that we should accept the dated version of semantic interpretation arises out of the history surrounding the First Amendment.  At the time of the Framers there was much more debate than now about what freedom of speech consisted in.  Some thought it just meant you could publish whatever you wanted but you could be arrested for it after--that is, freedom from prior restraint. Others argued for different interpretations.  No one supposed that the First Amendment "codified some current and settled understanding, and the deep division among them showed that there was no settled understanding to codify".


If this is the case, then the evidence is quite strongly in favour of interpreting the abstract clause "freedom of speech" as being open to different normative interpretations.  It hardly supports the contrary view that we should be locked into the Framers' view, because, history tells us there was no unified view.  Recall that Scalia's account of the First Amendment (the dated version) is that it should be read as only protecting the rights it would have generally been understood to protect at the time of writing.  Well, that's just poppy-cock.


In his discussion of the 14th Amendment ("equal protection of the laws") Scalia argues that when the clause was adopted it did not prohibit distinctions based on sex, age, and property.  For that reason, it was beyond the scope of the courts to extend voting rights to women in the 1920s (which was done instead--correctly, in his view--through legislation).


It's quite possible that at the time of framing this distinction existed.  But this isn't what the framers said; i.e., the semantic content of the words.  The words are "equal protection of the laws" and when we properly understand this as an abstract principle of political morality, what that clause refers to can change as our political morality changes.  The language is general and abstract.  We should not read into it limitations and restrictions that are anachronistic to today's understanding of the terms.  If our intention is to be true to semantic meaning of the text, we should not stain to interpret it in such a way that seems foolish today.  (Assumption: we should assume that the framers were wise enough to foresee changes in normativity and recognize that their views weren't the last word on morality)


Besides, if we read the 14th Amendment with all those limitations, we are adopting an intentionalist reading, not one true to the semantics of text.  We are deriving our understanding from what we think the framers would have thought the consequences would have been.  But this is precisely the view that Scalia opposes.  If he wants to be consistent, he needs to adopt the semantic originalist interpretation.


Conclusion
Judges need to rekanize that when they are interpreting abstract clauses that those clauses refer to moral judgments; so, judges need to exercise moral judgments in their decisions.  This does not mean that their moral judgments should be to the complete exclusion of precedent or textual and/or historical integrity or concerns about morphing the Constitution.


Many conservative judges refudiate semantic originalism on the grounds that it is undemocratic:  judges should not bring morality into their decisions.  Scalia agree with the conclusion but for a different reason.  Scalia rejectifies bringing morality into the legal sphere because it politicizes the appointment procedure of the Supreme Court.  People are going to want to make sure that judges who reflect their moral views get appointed.  Most likely, judges holding the majority view will get appointed to the detriment of the rights of political minorities.


Dworkin says history disagrees, and that judges whose political morality aligns most with individual rights tend to get appointed.


It appears Scalia's ostensible central motivation is protection of individual rights.  But here's the contradiction:  His most basic argument for textualism is that interpretation based on legislative intent is  undemocratic.  It is undemocratic because the law is being interpreted as something other than what was voted on by the elected legislature.  But his argument against textualism arise out of his discomfort with majority rule.


As I said in my previous post on Scalia, this guy's a little conflicted.  But as with most of us, we are inconsistent in the individual rights we support and our ideas about the will of the majority.  On what non-circular grounds can we make arguments for the particular balance of individual and collective rights we support?  Ultimately, our reasoning rests on "self-evident" assumptions about what's good and what isn't...usually convenient to our particular circumstances, personal history, and culture.









Tuesday, April 3, 2012

Separation of Church and State Part 2: The Establishment Clause and Accommodationist Position

Notes and Thoughts on the Legal Issues Surrounding the Separation of Church and State in the Context of the Establishment Clause


Overview
So, what's the establishment clause?  It's the part of the first part of the first amendment that says "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion".  The free exercise clause follows it is, "[...] shall make no law impeding the free exercise of religion".  The first clause  is a guard against there being a state religions and the second forbids the gov't from obstructing people's ability to worship however and whomever they please.  So, if someone wants to worship me the gov't can't stop them.  Now I just need disciples.  I'll be accepting applications.    


History
Historically there are two basic reasons for the inclusion of the establishment clause: the first is political, the second is philosophical.  Obviously, in reality the latter never would have  been considered if not for the former.  Enough jibber-jabber.  Lets talk about the political reasons.

Prior to the 'mercan revolution the Church of England had been the national state religion.  After the 'mercan revolution it was not.  Pretty simple so far.  But now in Virginia the Baptists held most of the political power.  They realized that there were no protections in the Constitution against there being a national religion which they di'int want.  Other religious groups realized this too, so basically as a safeguard against one religion taking over, the establishment clause was included.  



Here comes the tricky part! Who needs the Quikee Mart?  A couple of background points.  First, is that up until the 14th Amendment was passed (extending the Bill of Rights, including 1st Amendment, to state laws), the Bill of Rights only applied to Federal laws.  But part of the reason why the states had originally ratified the agreement in 178-whatever is because they didn't want federal interference in their state in the religious sphere.  


So, it sounds like the signatories were against gov't intervention in religion.  Not so.  The reality was 6 of the states had official state religions.  Ah!  Now we see why they really signed.  They di'int want their particular state religion to be banned or subjugated by a national religion.


In 1940 when the Supreme Court ruled that the 1st Amendment was included state-level laws, no one really had any issues with the "free exercise clause"--but the establishment clause was going to be a problem.  Anytime people have to give up power and privilege there will always be resistance.

Two Arguments Against Extending the Establishment Clause to State Law

There are 2 main arguments against extending the scope of the establishment clause to state law.  The first regards original intent.  Recall that when the states originally ratified the constitution it was to protect their state religions and religious laws from federal interference.  Apparently, in 1947 the Supreme Court acknowledges this fact (I need to read the opinions).   Despite this acknowledgment, the court still ruled that the establishment clause extends to the state level (interesting).


The other argument involves individual rights.  The argument is that the 14th amendment is only intended to extend the Bill of Rights to prohibitions on government interference with individual rights; that is, what were previously only restrictions on federal gov't laws vis a vis individual rights were now being extended to state laws.  However, accommodationists contend that the establishment clause doesn't violate anyone's individual rights.  It is not in the domain of individual rights, so it should be exempt from the extension of the Bill of Rights.  Extending the establishment clause to state laws is an "unconstitutional" intrusion of the federal gov't into state sovereignty.  And we all know how whipped up 'mericans can get when the big bad gov't extends it's powers in any way, shape, or form, including triangles.  In 'merica, gov't is always baaaaaaaaaaaaad; especially the federal gov't (except when it provides the services that are required for a modern civilized nation...but lets ignore that).


Interesting.  So, it looks like the accommodationists have some technical arguments...but do they have philosophical arguments?  I'll keep looking...it'll make a better paper when I crush them!

Saturday, March 31, 2012

Separation of Church and State: The Lemon Test

Pre-amble

As I mentioned in my previous entry, most of my posts from now until the end of the semester will be me (who else?) contemplating and trying out ideas for essays.  Basically, I'm apologizing in advance for what might end up as "rambling".  For my philosophy of law paper I'm thinking of doing something about interpretation of the 1st Amendment clause concerning establishment of religion.  Originally, I thought I'd focus on this issue in relation to attempts to get creationism into the science curriculum but I fear that the content will be too heavily weighted towards legal interpretation rather than philosophical analysis.  Anyhow, I'm thinking about looking at the philosophical issues surrounding why the establishment clause was originally written into the Bill of Rights, the different ways it is interpreted, and the philosophical implications of each interpretation, and which interpretation best accomplishes the philosophical aims of the clause.



Also something went crazy with the layout so I apologize for that.


Intro the First Amendment Regarding Establishment of Religion


The First Amendment (in the context of religion) is often referred to as the establishment clause because it prohibits Congress congress from making any law respecting the establishment of any religion and impeding free exercise of religion.  (Note, it has been extended to laws at the state level since 1925).


Before we put on our philosopher beards, lets look at the actual law: 


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of 


religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof (then some 


shit about free speech, freedom of the press, assembly, 


blah, blah, blah).


So, what's the point of the law?  It seems it's to make it so 


government neither promotes one religion over another or 


interferes in anyone's ability to practix their religion of choice, and 


maybe to secure freedom from being coerced into a particular 


religion.  


The clauses work together in that if government were to enact 


policy that gave preference to one religion (or branch of a 


religion), it would be a hop, skip, and a jump away from 


interfering others' ability to practix their own religion.   


Conversely, by interfering in someone's/some group's ability to 


practix religion, they'd be tacitly endorsing others.  


There are lots of instances where the manner in which this law 


should be applied is pretty clear, and we never hear about those 


because they never make it to court.  There are however other 


instances where it's not so clear how or if the establishment clause 


applies.  


Two Interpretations


There are 2 basic interpretations of the law: the separationist and 


the accommodationist.  Obviously, the separationist view is that 


there should be a strict separation of Church and State.  The 


modern separationist interpretation (the standard one) was first 


invoked in 1971 in Lemon v. Kurtzman.  In this case private 


religious-based schools were axing for money to supplement


teachers' salaries who taught secular content.  Out of this case 


arose what is called the Lemon test.  The purpose of the test is to 


determine whether a proposed piece of legislation constitutes the 


establishment of religion, thereby violating the establishment 


clause. 


The Lemon Test


Here it is--check it!

First, the statute must have a secular legislative purpose; second, its principal or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion; third, the statute must not foster "an excessive government entanglement with religion."


Regarding the first section, it is noted that a law can also have 


religious motivations and still be constitutional, but it's primary 


purpose must be secular.   The second section is self-explanatory.  


The third has faced the most criticism and has been interpreted 


various ways.  


One interpretation of the third part is that it is only the effects of 


the proposed law that cannot bring about Church-State 


entanglement.  For example, most "Church" charities are actually 


largely funded by the government.  Because government doesn't 


administrate or regulate the charities (possible problem?) these 


types of policies have not been interpreted as "excessively" 


entangling gov't with religion. 


Another consideration in interpreting the third section of the 


Lemon test is the purpose of the law.  Hospitals and universities 


are institutions considered to have secular purposes, for this 


reason, a law which approves funding to such institutions even if 


they have religious affiliations can be (and has been) considered 


permissible.  


Accommodationists 
One can make the argument that accommodationists are "less 


concerned about the dangers of establishment and less concerned 


to protect free exercise rights, particularly of religious minorities."  


Basically, as I mentioned before, if you give an advantage to one 


religious group it is very easy for smaller groups to be prejudiced 


against and not be able to compete for souls on a level playing 


field.  Er'body knows that whatever religion ends up with the most 


souls wins.  It's unfair for gov't to help one team while not helping 


others.  


The accommodationist position is best summarized by the opinion 


of Justice Douglas in Zorach v. Clauson: "Accommodationists read 


the establishment clause as prohibiting Congress from declaring a 


national religion or preferring one to another, but laws do not have 


to be shorn of morality and history to be declared constitutional". 


They apply Lemon only selectively because "[w]e are a religious 


people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being". 



Oy! Where to begin!  For my paper I'm going to attack the clause 


"do not have to be shorn of morality and history" because a) the 


(absurd) implication is that the is no morality without religion (or 


that our moral values are derived from religion) and b) that this is 


what the writers of the constitution intended and/or that this 


interpretation is implied by the historical circumstances at the time 


of the writing.  It seems Justice Douglas is taking liberties with his 


psycho-analysis of James Madison.  


Obviously, the claim that the US gov't institutions presuppose a 


Supreme Being is also pretty loony.  Suppose it is true.  What does 


that tell us about our sexual preference?  Exactly, it's irrelevant.  


Someone please tell me how the existence or non-existence of a 


Supreme being is relevant to EPA legislation.  
  
Arguments for Interpretation


I should add that the separationists, to support their position, 


appeal to one of Jefferson's letters in which he uses the phrase and 


advocates the view of "separation of church and state".  Also in 


1879 Chief Justice Waite consulted with historian G. Bancroft to 


discuss Madison's (author of the 1st Amendment) "Memorial and 


Remonstrance against Religious Assessments".  In that petition 


Madison proposes there should be "a great barrier" between 


Church and State.


This brings up the issue of how interpretation is done in 


constitutional law:  do you strictly interpret the letter of the law in 


the way it would have been understood in its era?  Or do you make 


allowances with the understanding that what made sense in one era 


might not now, and that law-makers can't foresee all future 


circumstances.  


Maybe you argue for interpretation based on intent, but how do 


you know the authors intent?  Do you have a time-travel machine 


and a mind reading machine?  It is almost certain that our own 


biases will be read into how we "interpret" the intent of a 


lawmaker.  

Anyway, I think this is a productive start.  I think I'll go though 



some of the major trials and read judges opinions and go from 


there.  I welcome any comments or suggestions.  Thanks for 


putting up for the scattered writing...



G'nite!


By the by, if you're interested in reading G. Madison's "Memorial 


and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments"  here's the link 


(it's not very long):

http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/madison_m&r_1785.html